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winter searching

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winter searching

From: indyzrede (michele@cheerful.com) | Date: 2004-09-28 23:41:49 UTC
having recently joined the craze this summer, I was wondering what
winter etiquette is regarding searching in snow...it would seem this
might not be appropriate. Are there rules? Trail Mail Junkie



Re: [LbNA] winter searching

From: andy wilkes (ukletterboxer@yahoo.com) | Date: 2004-09-29 06:09:59 UTC-07:00
why is it not appropriate to letterbox in the snow?

indyzrede wrote:having recently joined the craze this summer, I was wondering what
winter etiquette is regarding searching in snow...it would seem this
might not be appropriate. Are there rules? Trail Mail Junkie



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Re: [LbNA] winter searching

From: Hikers_n_ Hounds (hikers_n_hounds@yahoo.com) | Date: 2004-09-29 06:35:38 UTC-07:00
I found my first box in snow! And boxed during
Hurricane Ivan a couple of weeks ago, we were very far
north of any danger, just lot's and lot's of water!
I've boxed at lteast 3 times in the dark, not on
purpose, ran out fo daylight and was too stuborn to
quit! In fact, the only thing that keeps me in is
extreme heat.

--- andy wilkes wrote:

> why is it not appropriate to letterbox in the snow?
>
> indyzrede wrote:having
> recently joined the craze this summer, I was
> wondering what
> winter etiquette is regarding searching in snow...it
> would seem this
> might not be appropriate. Are there rules? Trail
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Re: [LbNA] winter searching

From: Jayme (paulandjayme.duggan@verizon.net) | Date: 2004-09-29 13:38:10 UTC
You need to use good judgement on this, foot prints would lead
boxers and non-boxers right to the box. Urban and indoor boxes
would be less of an issue.

Jayme

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, andy wilkes
wrote:
> why is it not appropriate to letterbox in the snow?
>
> indyzrede wrote:having recently joined the craze
this summer, I was wondering what
> winter etiquette is regarding searching in snow...it would seem
this
> might not be appropriate. Are there rules? Trail Mail Junkie
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Re: [LbNA] winter searching

From: (mjpepe1@comcast.net) | Date: 2004-09-29 13:52:19 UTC
Sue & I love to go boxing in the snow - most times with snow shoes. But, we have learned to change our habits!

As a rule, I run off clues and never pre-read them before we get to the location. Our first time letterboxing in the snow, we read the clues on the trail and the first sentence was: "Find the rock shaped like a flower." This was mighty difficult, considering there was 14" of new fallen snow on the ground. We tried to circumvent this first step, but it didn't work. So, we now read the clues before we leave the house.

After that happened, I placed a post on this list that proposed placers insert a note in their clues that said something like "This box is accessible in the winter." The proposal died like a bad flame! ;-)

Have fun and just get out there & box!!!

Mark Pepe
http://markandsuepepe.blogspot.com/

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Re: [LbNA] winter searching

From: andy wilkes (ukletterboxer@yahoo.com) | Date: 2004-09-29 06:57:39 UTC-07:00
Is this not taking it all a little too seriousley ? we are after all just letterboxing and not partaking in a special forces operation ! lol

Jayme wrote:You need to use good judgement on this, foot prints would lead
boxers and non-boxers right to the box. Urban and indoor boxes
would be less of an issue.

Jayme

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, andy wilkes
wrote:
> why is it not appropriate to letterbox in the snow?
>
> indyzrede wrote:having recently joined the craze
this summer, I was wondering what
> winter etiquette is regarding searching in snow...it would seem
this
> might not be appropriate. Are there rules? Trail Mail Junkie
>
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Re: [LbNA] winter searching

From: Warrior Woman (warrioringilead@yahoo.com) | Date: 2004-09-29 14:47:08 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, andy wilkes
wrote:
> Is this not taking it all a little too seriousley ? we are after
all just letterboxing and not partaking in a special forces
operation ! lol

Hi Andy,

Letterboxing in the snow *is* a special forces operation!

1. You have to find the landmarks that are in the clues. Those
landmarks could be covered by 2 cm to 2 meters of snow.

2. You have to access the letterbox location. Bringing a prybar
and/or icepick is sometimes necessary in extreme ice conditions. And
here in New England, we have *EXTREME* winter conditions. There are
also times when an entire AREA is inaccessible due to several meters
of snow, a frozen (and unstable) streambed, a frozen waterfall
cascading over a rock face that you are supposed to *climb*

3. We have, unfortunately, a real problem with vandalism. Vandals
come in all sizes and shapes, in all ages and races and sexes.
Vandalism is an equal opportunity employer. We winter boxers must,
therefore, make sure we do not leave an obvious set of footprints in
the snow to a letterbox's location. We have all developed an
elaborate system of "covering our tracks", from carrying yellow-dyed
water in a bottle to squirt on the snow (as if using a nearby tree as
a loo), walking past the assumed letterbox location, then
backtracking along another trail and/or judiciously bushwhacking to
the letterbox from another direction entirely, or by deliberately
making a bazillion tracks all over the place as if an entire herd of
children ran through the area.

Actually, now that I think about it, we should have a "Letterboxing
Special Forces" badge made up for all those hardy letterboxers who
brave the harshest New England winters, the destructive South East
hurricanes, the deadly West Coast earthquakes, the massive flooding
in the Deep South, the winds of The Dust Bowl, the deserts and the
mountains in the west/midwest, and just plain old staying alive in
the suicide capital of America, the Pacific Northwest.

Warrior Woman
(now wistful for the temperate climate, verdant green moors,
and "mists" of the UK)

(and yes, I'm going next time FOR SURE)


RE: [LbNA] winter searching

From: Pam Kleingers (pam@kleingers.net) | Date: 2004-09-29 10:55:34 UTC-04:00
LOL! Mark,

That sounds a lot like my approach--and those kinds of things usually happen
to me when I am trying to show someone new or have my kids with me. Sigh.

I did want to say that I have been previewing some UT clues in prep for a
November trip, and at least one mentioned that the box was accessible in
winter, so there is still an ember!!

Mama Stork
aka Pam in Cinci
>
> As a rule, I run off clues and never pre-read them before we
> get to the location. Our first time letterboxing in the snow,
> we read the clues on the trail and the first sentence was:
> "Find the rock shaped like a flower." This was mighty
> difficult, considering there was 14" of new fallen snow on
> the ground. We tried to circumvent this first step, but it
> didn't work. So, we now read the clues before we leave the house.
>
> After that happened, I placed a post on this list that
> proposed placers insert a note in their clues that said
> something like "This box is accessible in the winter." The
> proposal died like a bad flame! ;-)
>
>


Re: [LbNA] winter searching

From: (teamking@entouch.net) | Date: 2004-09-29 10:57:07 UTC-04:00

That's funny! I would like to keep this going and hear from other parts of the country on their unique geography/climate issues. Let's hear it!

(At least I can be prepared. . .) :)

teamking


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Warrior Woman"
Reply-To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:47:08 -0000

>
>
>
>
>--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, andy wilkes

> wrote:

>> Is this not taking it all a little too seriousley ? we are after

>all just letterboxing and not partaking in a special forces

>operation ! lol

>

>Hi Andy,

>

>Letterboxing in the snow *is* a special forces operation!

>

>1. You have to find the landmarks that are in the clues. Those

>landmarks could be covered by 2 cm to 2 meters of snow.

>

>2. You have to access the letterbox location. Bringing a prybar

>and/or icepick is sometimes necessary in extreme ice conditions. And

>here in New England, we have *EXTREME* winter conditions. There are

>also times when an entire AREA is inaccessible due to several meters

>of snow, a frozen (and unstable) streambed, a frozen waterfall

>cascading over a rock face that you are supposed to *climb*

>

>3. We have, unfortunately, a real problem with vandalism. Vandals

>come in all sizes and shapes, in all ages and races and sexes.

>Vandalism is an equal opportunity employer. We winter boxers must,

>therefore, make sure we do not leave an obvious set of footprints in

>the snow to a letterbox's location. We have all developed an

>elaborate system of "covering our tracks", from carrying yellow-dyed

>water in a bottle to squirt on the snow (as if using a nearby tree as

>a loo), walking past the assumed letterbox location, then

>backtracking along another trail and/or judiciously bushwhacking to

>the letterbox from another direction entirely, or by deliberately

>making a bazillion tracks all over the place as if an entire herd of

>children ran through the area.

>

>Actually, now that I think about it, we should have a "Letterboxing

>Special Forces" badge made up for all those hardy letterboxers who

>brave the harshest New England winters, the destructive South East

>hurricanes, the deadly West Coast earthquakes, the massive flooding

>in the Deep South, the winds of The Dust Bowl, the deserts and the

>mountains in the west/midwest, and just plain old staying alive in

>the suicide capital of America, the Pacific Northwest.

>

>Warrior Woman

>(now wistful for the temperate climate, verdant green moors,

>and "mists" of the UK)

>

>(and yes, I'm going next time FOR SURE)

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Re: [LbNA] winter searching

From: K Wilson (kathyandthehounds@yahoo.com) | Date: 2004-09-29 09:00:18 UTC-07:00
your a brave soul.

Hikers_n_ Hounds wrote:I found my first box in snow! And boxed during
Hurricane Ivan a couple of weeks ago, we were very far
north of any danger, just lot's and lot's of water!
I've boxed at lteast 3 times in the dark, not on
purpose, ran out fo daylight and was too stuborn to
quit! In fact, the only thing that keeps me in is
extreme heat.

--- andy wilkes wrote:

> why is it not appropriate to letterbox in the snow?
>
> indyzrede wrote:having
> recently joined the craze this summer, I was
> wondering what
> winter etiquette is regarding searching in snow...it
> would seem this
> might not be appropriate. Are there rules? Trail
> Mail Junkie
>
>
>
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Re: winter searching

From: dvn2rckr (dvn2rckr@yahoo.com) | Date: 2004-09-29 16:01:45 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "indyzrede"
wrote:
> having recently joined the craze this summer, I was wondering what
> winter etiquette is regarding searching in snow...it would seem
this
> might not be appropriate. Are there rules? Trail Mail Junkie

I don't think there are any 'rules' regarding letterboxing in the
snow but some good judgement should apply. We've found several
dozen boxes in snow/ice conditions over the past couple of years and
have learned a few things along the way. The obvious thing is to
really avoid leaving tracks in the snow that lead directly to the
letterbox--lay false tracks, camouflage your route with leaf/pine
needle debris, whatever you can do to make it less obvious that
there was a reason you headed in a certain direction, take great
care of the terrain & wildlife as you go along (trails are less
obvious, could cause unnecessary erosion in a spot that without snow
wouldn't have any problems, etc).

We sought out a series of letterboxes in the Cascade Mountains the
beginning of May last year. After finding the first two boxes in
the series, slipping, sliding & suffering from snow & ice capped
trails (without donning snow shoes & two little ones in tow)--we
ultimately had to stop the hunt mid hike for safety reasons (very
hard to do since it took about 100 miles of driving to get to the
trail head and then a 4 mile hike to get to the point where we
turned around!). So, 2 boxes in that series remain 'undiscovered'
by us still.

Another thing we experienced while letterboxing in snow blanketed
Boise, Idaho last January. Many of the letterboxes were hidden in
nooks and crannies behind small rocks. Some boxes we could see,
even touch, but could not 'get' without damaging the box because the
rocks or the box itself were frozen TO THE GROUND. Nothing we could
do would budge them. So that, too, was very frustrating. Nope,
even deicer wouldn't 'unstick' the little rock that was frozen to
the little footbridge beneath its side rail right in front of the
letterbox we were looking for--talk about frustrating!

Then, we cap off our snow experience with 4 solid days of boxing in
DC/VA last January. Again, the blanket of snow & ice made it
difficult to discern the more detailed aspect of the clues. Damage
to the area from a recent tropical storm passing through the area
only made matters worse. Again, rocks frozen to the ground made
matters worse and 'snow trails' leading to the boxes was another
thing that came up often. Micro-boxes (such as film canisters)
hidden on the ground or within tree stumps were especially
vulnerable to being frozen in place, frozen solid, unretrievable
until the thaw occurred, or just were permanently reshaped because
the water that snuck in them over the summer froze solid and warped
the containers..

Something else to consider is that many inkpads don't work as well
in sub-freezing temps. We use a 3 color stamp pad and one color
just failed altogether (fuchsia) & is still ruined even after it
thawed out. The others were better although the purple proved far
more durable in the long run than the cyan blue.

So, letterboxing in snow is still possible but it really brings with
it some interesting situations,

dvn2r ckr


Re: [LbNA] winter searching

From: (GrampysGurl@aol.com) | Date: 2004-09-29 12:36:26 UTC-04:00


In a message dated 9/29/2004 9:59:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
ukletterboxer@yahoo.com writes:


Is this not taking it all a little too seriousley ? we are after all just
letterboxing and not partaking in a special forces operation ! lol

Jayme wrote:You need to use good judgement
on this, foot prints would lead
boxers and non-boxers right to the box. Urban and indoor boxes
would be less of an issue.

Jayme



IMO I would be more worried about someone finding the boxes and destroying
them or stealing them. I think Jayme made a good point :o)


You've got to do your own growing, no matter how tall your grandfather was.
~ Irish Proverb


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Re: [LbNA] winter searching

From: andy wilkes (ukletterboxer@yahoo.com) | Date: 2004-09-29 11:41:48 UTC-07:00
Whilst I appreciate that box vandalism is a problem, and the Bakers Dozen can back me up on that !, I still feel that trying to hide your tracks as if on some covert mission is above and beyond. Obviousley I can not comment on box vandalism in the USA but from my experiences on Dartmoor - if someone is determined to steal/ruin a box then they will - after all the clues are hardly top secret and if I can follow clues then i'm sure that a vandal/thief could.
My intention is not to mock or poke fun but I can see, from some previous posts, that taking this hobby too seriousley can lead to anamosity and hatred, and thats not what letterboxing is about !
Andy

GrampysGurl@aol.com wrote:


In a message dated 9/29/2004 9:59:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
ukletterboxer@yahoo.com writes:


Is this not taking it all a little too seriousley ? we are after all just
letterboxing and not partaking in a special forces operation ! lol

Jayme wrote:You need to use good judgement
on this, foot prints would lead
boxers and non-boxers right to the box. Urban and indoor boxes
would be less of an issue.

Jayme



IMO I would be more worried about someone finding the boxes and destroying
them or stealing them. I think Jayme made a good point :o)


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Re: [LbNA] winter searching

From: Warrior Woman (warrioringilead@yahoo.com) | Date: 2004-09-29 18:59:41 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, andy wilkes
wrote:
> Whilst I appreciate that box vandalism is a problem, and the Bakers
Dozen can back me up on that !, I still feel that trying to hide your
tracks as if on some covert mission is above and beyond. Obviousley
I can not comment on box vandalism in the USA but from my experiences
on Dartmoor - if someone is determined to steal/ruin a box then they
will - after all the clues are hardly top secret and if I can follow
clues then i'm sure that a vandal/thief could.
> My intention is not to mock or poke fun but I can see, from some
previous posts, that taking this hobby too seriousley can lead to
anamosity and hatred, and thats not what letterboxing is about !
> Andy

Hi Andy,

Perhaps I should also emphasize an unspoken but often practiced rule
of thumb among letterboxers here in the States - "leave no trace".

That means, among other things, respect the location in which the
letterbox is placed. Do not leave trash there, rehide the box as
carefully as you can, be aware of what you are trampling on (flora or
fauna).

The US has so very few unspoiled, wild, truly natural areas left.
Urbanization is rampant. When we do "get out on the trail", for many
of us, it is an unbelievable treat, to see sights that take your
breath away. Compare us to a bunch of blokes who room four in a flat
in London. Forever. Who have never seen the moors. Then one day we
are transported out to Dartmoor. Just being in so much open space
would be overwhelming.

We are bombarded by media and science studies that tell us just how
much we are doing to damage our environment. Probably a good lot of
US boxers are overly conscious of bespoiling a pristine location.
And that's where many of the really nice boxes are located. We often
deliberately plant boxes in places to *make* another person discover
that out of the way rare place that makes you go "oooohhhhh".
We "share" our little "treasures" with each other that way - come and
find my box, and I will show you something truly beautiful.

I hope that helps to put a more rounded perspective on what we do and
sometimes why we do it. We just don't take our environment for
granted, that's all. Because we know that in a generation or two,
someone will pave the rest of paradise and put up a parking lot*.

*US musical reference - Joni Mitchell, "Big Yellow Taxi", circa 1968-
74 or something.

Warrior Woman
(not as grim as she sounds)


Re: [LbNA] winter searching

From: Daniel (dtanderson@gandsgunroom.com) | Date: 2004-09-29 20:14:20 UTC
Having done construction most of my life...in Phoenix, AZ, there's not
much climate wise that would affect me. Although I would choose to not
be outside in summer, I could, if needed, put on the big hat and
sunscreen, grab the water cooler and off I go. Mostly I head for the
high country in the summer time leaving local boxes for winter (oh,
how I'm looking forward the 75-80 degree days of winter, the Christmas
day pool party..)

I don't understand what "snow boots" or "numb fingers" are all about
unless you're referring to rubber boots used in concrete/agricultural
applications and hitting your finger with your hammer.

Daniel



--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>
> That's funny! I would like to keep this going and hear from other
parts of the country on their unique geography/climate issues. Let's
hear it!
>
> (At least I can be prepared. . .) :)
>
> teamking
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Warrior Woman"
> Reply-To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:47:08 -0000
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, andy wilkes

> > wrote:

> >> Is this not taking it all a little too seriousley ? we are after


> >all just letterboxing and not partaking in a special forces

> >operation ! lol

> >

> >Hi Andy,

> >

> >Letterboxing in the snow *is* a special forces operation!

> >

> >1. You have to find the landmarks that are in the clues. Those

> >landmarks could be covered by 2 cm to 2 meters of snow.

> >

> >2. You have to access the letterbox location. Bringing a prybar

> >and/or icepick is sometimes necessary in extreme ice conditions.
And

> >here in New England, we have *EXTREME* winter conditions. There
are

> >also times when an entire AREA is inaccessible due to several
meters

> >of snow, a frozen (and unstable) streambed, a frozen waterfall

> >cascading over a rock face that you are supposed to *climb*

> >

> >3. We have, unfortunately, a real problem with vandalism. Vandals


> >come in all sizes and shapes, in all ages and races and sexes.

> >Vandalism is an equal opportunity employer. We winter boxers must,


> >therefore, make sure we do not leave an obvious set of footprints
in

> >the snow to a letterbox's location. We have all developed an

> >elaborate system of "covering our tracks", from carrying
yellow-dyed

> >water in a bottle to squirt on the snow (as if using a nearby tree
as

> >a loo), walking past the assumed letterbox location, then

> >backtracking along another trail and/or judiciously bushwhacking to


> >the letterbox from another direction entirely, or by deliberately

> >making a bazillion tracks all over the place as if an entire herd
of

> >children ran through the area.

> >

> >Actually, now that I think about it, we should have a "Letterboxing


> >Special Forces" badge made up for all those hardy letterboxers who

> >brave the harshest New England winters, the destructive South East

> >hurricanes, the deadly West Coast earthquakes, the massive flooding


> >in the Deep South, the winds of The Dust Bowl, the deserts and the

> >mountains in the west/midwest, and just plain old staying alive in

> >the suicide capital of America, the Pacific Northwest.

> >

> >Warrior Woman

> >(now wistful for the temperate climate, verdant green moors,

> >and "mists" of the UK)

> >

> >(and yes, I'm going next time FOR SURE)

> >

> >

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Re: [LbNA] winter searching

From: (GrampysGurl@aol.com) | Date: 2004-09-29 17:42:54 UTC-04:00


In a message dated 9/29/2004 3:03:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
warrioringilead@yahoo.com writes:

When we do "get out on the trail", for many
of us, it is an unbelievable treat, to see sights that take your
breath away.


This is what hooked me so hard was the beautiful places you people have sent
me to. I want to thank you for your placements in such wonderful places. I
spent some of my day yesterday calling town clerk's in the towns I have trips
planned to. I was able to get a street map of every town sent to me for free.
I'm hoping to catch a peek at some of the local important places while I am
in that town.


Colleen Ann
You've got to do your own growing, no matter how tall your grandfather was.
~ Irish Proverb


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Re: [LbNA] winter searching

From: catbead1 (libby@twcny.rr.com) | Date: 2004-09-29 21:56:55 UTC
Here are my thoughts for covering tracks (inc. snow): Placers don't
want a random person to stumble upon the box. A good example is the
recent case where a box in western NY State was discovered by a
civilian, taken to work where he bragged about his theft. No amount
of coaxing by his fellow workers could convince him to return it.
Sometimes the park people aren't aware of the box and you want to keep
it under their radar. Also, it takes away from the fun if a single
track leads straight to the box.

Best,
catbead





--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, andy wilkes
wrote:
> Whilst I appreciate that box vandalism is a problem, and the Bakers
Dozen can back me up on that !, I still feel that trying to hide your
tracks as if on some covert mission is above and beyond. Obviousley I
can not comment on box vandalism in the USA but from my experiences on
Dartmoor - if someone is determined to steal/ruin a box then they will
- after all the clues are hardly top secret and if I can follow clues
then i'm sure that a vandal/thief could.
> My intention is not to mock or poke fun but I can see, from some
previous posts, that taking this hobby too seriousley can lead to
anamosity and hatred, and thats not what letterboxing is about !
> Andy
>



Re: [LbNA] winter searching

From: Lightnin Bug (rpboehme@yahoo.com) | Date: 2004-09-30 00:13:39 UTC
It was our fault, Team Lightnin' Bug kidnapped Hikers and Houndzz and
made her hunt for two mystery boxes with us! It really was not too
bad by the time Ivan got to Joisey. Most of the rain had ended, just
a 20 mph wind driven mist.

H+H was a trooper, tromping through the water. "Hey, why'd you go in
there?"

Lightnin' Bug

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, K Wilson
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> your a brave soul.
>
> Hikers_n_ Hounds wrote:I found my first box
in snow! And boxed during
> Hurricane Ivan a couple of weeks ago, we were very far
> north of any danger, just lot's and lot's of water!
> I've boxed at lteast 3 times in the dark, not on
> purpose, ran out fo daylight and was too stuborn to
> quit! In fact, the only thing that keeps me in is
> extreme heat.
>
> --- andy wilkes wrote:
>
> > why is it not appropriate to letterbox in the snow?
> >
> > indyzrede wrote:having
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Re: [LbNA] winter searching

From: (Gurudybaker@aol.com) | Date: 2004-09-29 20:16:59 UTC-04:00
Oh how lucky can you get?
STAR:W+S=DRR


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Re: [LbNA] winter searching

From: Hikers_n_ Hounds (hikers_n_hounds@yahoo.com) | Date: 2004-09-29 18:15:01 UTC-07:00
nah...an idiot!!!

--- K Wilson wrote:

> your a brave soul.
>
> Hikers_n_ Hounds wrote:I
> found my first box in snow! And boxed during
> Hurricane Ivan a couple of weeks ago, we were very
> far
> north of any danger, just lot's and lot's of water!
> I've boxed at lteast 3 times in the dark, not on
> purpose, ran out fo daylight and was too stuborn to
> quit! In fact, the only thing that keeps me in is
> extreme heat.
>
> --- andy wilkes wrote:
>
> > why is it not appropriate to letterbox in the
> snow?
> >
> > indyzrede wrote:having
> > recently joined the craze this summer, I was
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Re: [LbNA] winter searching

From: K Wilson (kathyandthehounds@yahoo.com) | Date: 2004-09-30 05:35:07 UTC-07:00
a happy one??

Hikers_n_ Hounds wrote:nah...an idiot!!!

--- K Wilson wrote:

> your a brave soul.
>
> Hikers_n_ Hounds wrote:I
> found my first box in snow! And boxed during
> Hurricane Ivan a couple of weeks ago, we were very
> far
> north of any danger, just lot's and lot's of water!
> I've boxed at lteast 3 times in the dark, not on
> purpose, ran out fo daylight and was too stuborn to
> quit! In fact, the only thing that keeps me in is
> extreme heat.
>
> --- andy wilkes wrote:
>
> > why is it not appropriate to letterbox in the
> snow?
> >
> > indyzrede wrote:having
> > recently joined the craze this summer, I was
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Re: [LbNA] winter searching

From: JuneMcAllister (nfmoon@mindspring.com) | Date: 2004-09-30 20:49:46 UTC-04:00
But you'll keep in the fridge for 4-6 months.
missmoon


----- Original Message -----
From: Hikers_n_ Hounds
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 9/29/2004 9:23:23 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] winter searching


nah...an idiot!!!

--- K Wilson wrote:

> your a brave soul.
>

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Re: [LbNA] winter searching

From: Doglvrs RASW (doglvrs_4@msn.com) | Date: 2004-10-01 06:40:43 UTC-04:00
Here, here.....said a doglvr who will NEVER build a house!


I hope that helps to put a more rounded perspective on what we do and
sometimes why we do it. We just don't take our environment for
granted, that's all. Because we know that in a generation or two,
someone will pave the rest of paradise and put up a parking lot*.

*US musical reference - Joni Mitchell, "Big Yellow Taxi", circa 1968-
74 or something.

Warrior Woman
(not as grim as she sounds)





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